[ste parker]

Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!? I've only
got one, and that came as a freebie from Amazon when I bought the 360
Slim, there wasn't one in that box. It ended up being used with the
not-cheap Panasonic blu-ray player, which also didn't come with one. And
now I've got the WD TV Live box, and that doesn't fucking come with one
either!

I am annoyed.

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hurricanepilot

[ste parker] wrote:

> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!? I've only
> got one, and that came as a freebie from Amazon when I bought the 360
> Slim, there wasn't one in that box. It ended up being used with the
> not-cheap Panasonic blu-ray player, which also didn't come with one. And
> now I've got the WD TV Live box, and that doesn't fucking come with one
> either!

There should be a custom jackplug to component RGB cable in the box.
Probably wont work at 1080p, but that'll be the TV being an arse, not
the box.

Kendrick Kerwin Chua

In article <9og49iF4kjU1@mid.individual.net>,
[ste parker] <imaginey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!? I've only
>got one, and that came as a freebie from Amazon when I bought the 360
>Slim, there wasn't one in that box. It ended up being used with the
>not-cheap Panasonic blu-ray player, which also didn't come with one. And
>now I've got the WD TV Live box, and that doesn't fucking come with one
>either!
>
>I am annoyed.

I remember when the Saturn first shipped in the States, it included only
the composite video cord and no RF adapter. The day after Christmas that
year, the stores were filled with angry parents who weren't able to
connect the console to their televisions the previous morning.

I think that we hardcore gamers use video cabling differently to the rest
of the public. We expect to be able to connect the blu-ray player, game
system, digital satellite tuner, and video camera to the television all at
the same time. We also expect (unreasably) for video switching to be
seamless, automatic and instantaneous. Anecdotally, I've observed that the
rest of the world simply unhooks the cable from one output and jams it
into the device they want to use. Who needs multiple cables in that
scenario? Although the fact that it costs the game company a few pounds
less to pop a cable into the box is probably a bigger motivator. That adds
up when you're shipping hundreds of thousands of hardware units.

Even with DRM to consider, I'm happy nearly every game system has a
standard video output connector now. That hasn't been true since the 3DO
days,

-KKC, who owns no TVs with HDMI input.
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HarpingOn

On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:13:17 +0000, ste parker] wrote
(in article <9og49iF4kjU1@mid.individual.net>):

> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!? I've only
> got one, and that came as a freebie from Amazon when I bought the 360
> Slim, there wasn't one in that box. It ended up being used with the
> not-cheap Panasonic blu-ray player, which also didn't come with one. And
> now I've got the WD TV Live box, and that doesn't fucking come with one
> either!
>
> I am annoyed.
>
>

It's even worse now that SD is no longer an SDK requirement from either MS or
Sony, but yet they still don't ship HD video leads in the SKU.

Bit silly that. Skyrim for example, doesn't work in SD. You can't see the
radar for one thing. Makes getting around somewhat tricky.

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Dr Zoidberg

"[ste parker]" <imaginey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9og49iF4kjU1@mid.individual.net...
> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!?

Anecdotally, it's pressure from retailers who don't want to miss out on
selling you a premium HDMI cable for twenty times what they paid.
--
Alex

Chris H

"Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message news:jg0a1p$u9q$1@dont-email.me...


"[ste parker]" <imaginey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9og49iF4kjU1@mid.individual.net...
> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!?

Anecdotally, it's pressure from retailers who don't want to miss out on
selling you a premium HDMI cable for twenty times what they paid.
--
Alex

Until people are educated that a "cheapo" HDMI lead is the same as a
"Premium" HDMI lead these tossers will continue to sell them by the bucket
load.

Dr Zoidberg

"Chris H" <chris@mail.com> wrote in message
news:T2QUq.236$dZ7.175@newsfe08.ams2...
>
>
> "Dr Zoidberg" wrote in message news:jg0a1p$u9q$1@dont-email.me...
>
>
> "[ste parker]" <imaginey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9og49iF4kjU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!?
>
> Anecdotally, it's pressure from retailers who don't want to miss out on
> selling you a premium HDMI cable for twenty times what they paid.
> --
> Alex
>
> Until people are educated that a "cheapo" HDMI lead is the same as a
> "Premium" HDMI lead these tossers will continue to sell them by the bucket
> load.
To be fair there are differences in the quality of construction, and over
longer runs the difference in signal degradation can be important, but for
99% of customers who have a sky box or blu ray player directly under the
screen there is bugger all difference in picture quality.

A friend bought a tv recently and had them trying to sell him a 60 quid
surge protector and noise filter as that "made the picture much better".
He sensibly declined, then not so sensibly bought the same thing on ebay for
£20!

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Alex

[ste parker]

On 27/01/2012 17:20, hurricanepilot wrote:
> [ste parker] wrote:
>
>> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!? I've only
>> got one, and that came as a freebie from Amazon when I bought the 360
>> Slim, there wasn't one in that box. It ended up being used with the
>> not-cheap Panasonic blu-ray player, which also didn't come with one. And
>> now I've got the WD TV Live box, and that doesn't fucking come with one
>> either!
>
> There should be a custom jackplug to component RGB cable in the box.
> Probably wont work at 1080p, but that'll be the TV being an arse, not
> the box.
>

Nope, the new one comes with composite only. Red, white, yellow. Shite.

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[ste parker]

On 27/01/2012 17:28, Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote:
> In article<9og49iF4kjU1@mid.individual.net>,
> [ste parker]<imaginey@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!? I've only
>> got one, and that came as a freebie from Amazon when I bought the 360
>> Slim, there wasn't one in that box. It ended up being used with the
>> not-cheap Panasonic blu-ray player, which also didn't come with one. And
>> now I've got the WD TV Live box, and that doesn't fucking come with one
>> either!
>>
>> I am annoyed.
>
> I remember when the Saturn first shipped in the States, it included only
> the composite video cord and no RF adapter. The day after Christmas that
> year, the stores were filled with angry parents who weren't able to
> connect the console to their televisions the previous morning.
>
> I think that we hardcore gamers use video cabling differently to the rest
> of the public. We expect to be able to connect the blu-ray player, game
> system, digital satellite tuner, and video camera to the television all at
> the same time. We also expect (unreasably) for video switching to be
> seamless, automatic and instantaneous. Anecdotally, I've observed that the
> rest of the world simply unhooks the cable from one output and jams it
> into the device they want to use. Who needs multiple cables in that
> scenario? Although the fact that it costs the game company a few pounds
> less to pop a cable into the box is probably a bigger motivator. That adds
> up when you're shipping hundreds of thousands of hardware units.
>
> Even with DRM to consider, I'm happy nearly every game system has a
> standard video output connector now. That hasn't been true since the 3DO
>days,
>

I think now though, a hell of a lot of people no longer have a CRT and
therefore have something with HDMI connections, of which even the
cheapest even have a couple. It's not the same times as when an RGB
SCART switchbox was an essential home item for the savvy gamer, the
connections are there now so why not use them, or at least provide the
mechanism in the box to allow it when it's patently so bloody cheap to
do so. Just from a band marketing point of view you'd think you'd want
people to be able to get the proper experience out of the box rather
than a substandard one.

> -KKC, who owns no TVs with HDMI input.

Weirdo.

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[ste parker]

On 27/01/2012 18:35, Dr Zoidberg wrote:
>
> "[ste parker]" <imaginey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:9og49iF4kjU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Why don't they just put a cheap HDMI cable in the box!? WHY!?
>
> Anecdotally, it's pressure from retailers who don't want to miss out on
> selling you a premium HDMI cable for twenty times what they paid.

I don't believe that PC World etc. can apply any pressure onto companies
as massive as Panasonic just because they want to sell an HDMI lead for
£89.99. Which they do, mentally enough.

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